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Post by Kendamu on Nov 25, 2006 23:29:48 GMT -5
No I'm telling him to shut up, because he has know idea what he's talking about he's just trying to make people look bad. Seriously do you really think that he honestly believed that we were talking about making clones of ourselves. The technique clearly states "duplicates made of ki". You would have to be a complete idiot to think they were real clones. No. I always knew they were "Ki Clones". Back in the day there were other kids trying to do the same thing but they were using DBZ's clone training method for inspiration instead of Naruto's attack method. I still think it's a waste of time and energy to fight your imagination instead of a real sparring partner.
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Post by ThiefDeath on Nov 27, 2006 2:12:23 GMT -5
I have to admit, the real clones thing by me was a joke.
But it seems that the only premises for this concept are ripoffs of techniques from DBZ and Naruto. Can you prove me wrong?
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Post by SethLaRoth DeShawl on Dec 12, 2006 21:05:36 GMT -5
Of they can't, if they could, that would give some credibility to Radki, of which, it has none.
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Post by coralian on Jan 6, 2007 21:27:42 GMT -5
DONT PLAY CRITISISM!!!! Your saying that because of your own ego and not in the name of actual radki. If it had no credibility then nobody would practice it and if it has no credibility then why do you critisise it. Wouldn't it make more sense for you to critisise something that people like you consider worth while. Why spend your time on something you hate. You obviously have no regard for thos who practice it so what is it you gain from the critisism other than a few kicks?
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Post by coralian on Jan 6, 2007 21:29:07 GMT -5
AND IF THAT IS ALL YOU GAIN YOUR NOTHING BUT AN IMMATURE CHILD?
However this wasn't directed toward the other tradkiers just you Deshow.
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Post by Final Bout on Jan 6, 2007 21:41:58 GMT -5
Well, in all reality, hardly anybody who knows about it gives it any credit. The ones who do are practicing it. Since you're so worked up about it maybe you can do something to give it some "good press" so to speak.
Rather than just yelling at everybody who walks in to criticize it, give counterpoints. I'm sure that if Radki does have some credibility to it, there are plenty of counterpoints that should shut people up.
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Post by coralian on Jan 9, 2007 20:06:58 GMT -5
Thats not my point. This isn't critisism and you know it. Critisism directs the focus of others opinion to a point in the accused belief that doesnt make sense or seems illogical, but all your doing is talking about how radki is lame or how it doesn't work. Your not explaining your reasons for believing so which makes it bashing not critisism. You see the difference between the old me and the new me is that I did my homework on this. I know longer use most radki moves because they are large waste of ki. I currently prefer using ki as an influence in shadow boxing in order to quickly affect the meridian system and speed up my reactions as well. In otherwords unlike many radkiers I actually understand this stuff so dont think some insults and some smart words are going to fool me. You just the same as any other basher. Your only looking for a way to disprove it for selfsatisfaction and social acceptance to others who follow your beliefs and you have clearly shown a complete disrespect for the internal arts. The internal arts are like holy ground. They must always be spoken of in a respectful manner or not at all. That is because they are meant soul for the bettering of ones self as well as others on all three states of the human conciousness.
Dont thnk that blowin all your tradki knowlege is going to wear me down cuz I'm the guy that actually understands the stuff. Unlike you I dont need to use slander as a crutch. In fact usually any insults I make are almost always relevant to the conversation or make a valid point.
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Post by allyourki on Jan 11, 2007 15:51:47 GMT -5
Yes Coralian, you are diffrent, like all the other Ki masters. We have explained why rad-ki doesn't work, multiple times. It relies solely on visualization, which can produce biofeedback and analayticaloverlay (in the case of strange rad-ki projection and telepathy methods) I don't use slander as a crutch, Tradtional Internal arts stood for hundreds of years without mocking manga enthusiasts.
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Post by coralian on Jan 11, 2007 23:46:05 GMT -5
First of all it's analytical and second of all thats complete bs and you know it. There have been records of such occurances leading to a state of psychosis, but almost all occurances were in people who already had unbalanced minds. Besides that theory has already been disproven to have any relation to radki visualization techniques do to the fact that other people are able to feel the affects of the ki even people having no relation to the art what so ever. This topic has been brought up very many times in debate on the radki/tradki complex, but almost every time tradkiers passed it of as a state of hypnosis and left it at that, but that doesn't even make sense from their point of view. Hypnosis is a skill that can only be done with much practice and an intense focus on the mind of the victim.
Besides you guys aren't even agreeing with the tradkiers and I hope you realize that because many tradkiers I met already know that visualization works. Also the psionic community has gained a lot of ground even though they were mocked when it all started, but as I'm sure you know almost all psionic techniques rely completely on visualization. So if your going to tell me that visualizatoin does not affect the energy system then your also saying that a very respected community of psionic practicioners are all wrong as well.
How could you justify such a claim?
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Post by allyourki on Jan 13, 2007 10:50:23 GMT -5
First of all it's analytical and second of all thats complete bs and you know it. There have been records of such occurances leading to a state of psychosis, but almost all occurances were in people who already had unbalanced minds. Besides that theory has already been disproven to have any relation to radki visualization techniques do to the fact that other people are able to feel the affects of the ki even people having no relation to the art what so ever. This topic has been brought up very many times in debate on the radki/tradki complex, but almost every time tradkiers passed it of as a state of hypnosis and left it at that, but that doesn't even make sense from their point of view. Hypnosis is a skill that can only be done with much practice and an intense focus on the mind of the victim. Besides you guys aren't even agreeing with the tradkiers and I hope you realize that because many tradkiers I met already know that visualization works. Also the psionic community has gained a lot of ground even though they were mocked when it all started, but as I'm sure you know almost all psionic techniques rely completely on visualization. So if your going to tell me that visualizatoin does not affect the energy system then your also saying that a very respected community of psionic practicioners are all wrong as well. How could you justify such a claim? First off, yeah, that was a typo xD Visualization does work, that's right. But because of the way rad-ki teaches, people rely on it completely, they feel heat in the place they are visualizing Qi going to an go "Hey, this must be Qi" when really it could be a number of things, heightened attention to that part of the body etc. But I don't think any reputable psions practice solely on visualization, and if they do, they generally go through certain training regimes used to improve the skill of visualization. Of course if I did a Ki blast on someone, and thrust my hands to their stomach, their attention would shift to where I was aiming, and then that place would heat up. There is no evidence however that Ki blasts really have any effect.
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Post by coralian on Jan 13, 2007 21:53:55 GMT -5
OMG YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. IS THAT REALLY WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. YOUR A COMPLETE IDOIT YOU KNOW THAT.
First of all Radkiers dont always rely on visualization. In fact for any good radkier ki control becomes second nature. Second of all YOU REALLY ARE STUPID. Unlike ki users psions DO rely completely on visulization. Psionic energy is used through the third eye and controlled through mostly the concious parts of the brain however it requires a much higher amount of focus than ki control so unlike ki control it does not become second nature. EVERY psionic ability is used COMPLETELY through visualization and programming. EVERY LAST ONE.
BTW. Your ki blast didn't work because YOUR KI BLAST IS WEAK. You even offered in your own words evidence of ki. The reason that a tradki user can hurt someone with a ki blast is because in all honesty their control over ki is pathetic compared to most other internal arts. Even healers have more ki control. This is because tradki users only rely on what little ki they can produce with physical methods. KI IS NOT A PHYSICAL ENERGY THAT HAS BEEN TAUGHT MULTIPLE TIMES. Even to tradkiers. Ki is more easily used through mental aproaches (NO MEDITATION DOES NOT COUNT) and eventually these ways of using ki are no longer needed because the awarness and familiarity to the ki becomes so accute that it is second nature. At this point a ki user is using his ki almost enetirely on the spiritual level. THAT IS HOW YOU CONTROL KI. No body movement or breathing method can surpass this level of ki control.
SO STOP TRYING TO BS PEOPLE INTO THINKING THAT IT DOESN'T WORK, BECAUSE YOUR ONLY MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF and dont try pulling your 500 year teachings excuse out on me, because I know for a fact that most tradkiers that critisise also reject the spiritual teachings of their own art. DONT BULLSHIT ME. You may be putting on a good show for the people here, but I didn't buy it the first time dont buy it now.
Ps: Anyone with even a shred of common sense knows that even if there is no proof of it that doesn't mean it cant be done and the fact that you guys are flaming it only because there is no proof is nothing short of complete stupidity and ignorance. Tradkiers automatically assume they can test a radki technique just cuz they can use ki. It's completely idiotic. From what I see the only tradki art that even comes close to the amount of ki radki requires would be kiai.
PPS: YOU CANT JUST TRY A TECHNIQUE ONCE AND SAY IT DOESN'T WORK THATS COMPLETE BS AND YOU KNOW IT. THATS LIKE TRYING TO RIDE A BIKE FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT AFTER FALLING OFF YOU SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
PPPS: NOCK IT OFF. I told you before your all mighty tradki knowlege doesn't stump me anymore. I dont care what your opinion is I KNOW THE FACTS AND YOU CANT ARGUE AGAINST THEM.
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Post by allyourki on Jan 14, 2007 10:50:07 GMT -5
*sigh* Coralian, a good psion, does not rely completely on visualization. Or at least, in my considerable experience with psions from both www.vsociety.net and http://www.psipog.net(now archived) there is training of the will. Telekinesis, is not generally used through visualization anymore. Now-a-days people just use intent and willpower. You seem to have an extremely warped view of trad-kiers, they are generally very spiritual, and can do amazing things with their energy, heat things up to the point of combustion etc. This takes decades, but it does happen. "because I know for a fact that most tradkiers that critisise also reject the spiritual teachings of their own art. DONT BULLSHIT ME. You may be putting on a good show for the people here, but I didn't buy it the first time dont buy it now." Well you are wrong, there are alot of people in China, who believe in invoking spirits to protect them while accomplishing amazing feats with their Qi, they walk on and EAT glass and do things like that. Every "trad-kier" I have seen is more peaceful, and slower to anger than yourself Coralian, seriously, just grow up. And there is no proof AT ALL, ANYWHERE, INTERNET OR OTHERWISE of ki blasts working.
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Post by coralian on Jan 14, 2007 12:01:13 GMT -5
YOUR DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT IT DO YOU. I DONT EVEN THINK YOU PRACTICE IT.
First of all you dont control it with will you idiot. IT'S VISUALIZATION UNTIL IT BECOMES SECOND NATURE. YOUR MAKIN SHIT UP. I GO TO PSIPOG ALL THE TIME AND EVERY TECHNIQUE I'VE SEEN THERE REQUIRES VISUALIZATION. Second of all shut the fuck up. Now your trying to tell me that they eat glass? WHY THE HELL WOULD ANYONE WANT TO DO THAT KI PRACTICE OR NOT. THATS JUST IDIOTIC. IF YOU GOING TO LIE YOU CAN AT LEAST MAKE A GOOD ONE YOU DUMBASS. Third. This conversation is over. You are clearly a liar and have know true knowlege of radki or psionics and from what I can see you dont even know that much about tradki either. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with some god damn poser.
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Post by SilencedHeart on Jan 14, 2007 13:11:23 GMT -5
Actually the eating and walking on glass thing is true. That and all kinds of other similar feats, such as walking across razor sharp blades, while staying balanced on them and not getting cut. No offense coralian, but especially considering how much you accuse others of not knowing anything, you should check your facts a little bit better when you accuse someone of making something up, and maybe not take it quite so personally and get so mad about a simple disagreement.
I'm not taking sides, just trying to resolve this so it doesn't go back and forth forever.
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Post by allyourki on Jan 14, 2007 14:04:26 GMT -5
On that note, it's a shame psipog went down, must be because of all the bullshit methods on the forums.
Coralian, I respect your dedication, I respect that you're trying to find the truth. But never accuse me of lieing.
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