Ki and the whole shabang..

[sirblackwolf]

hm, im interested in Ki and learning about it, but to be honest, i know basicaly jack sh!t about it, ive read a bit and know terms like Ki flow and a few other things but i dont actualy know what the Ki flow is, just know the name kinda thing.., learned from Angel that its somewhat body related as to psi is more mind related, but anyways, i was seeking some1 that could help me learn and understand the ways of Ki..

hope to hear some replys, good bye for now

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi

[Kendamu]

Thought this might be interesting:

www.bullshido.net/modules.php?name=Reviews&file=viewarticle&id=196

Chi, Qi, Ki, Internal Strength, Inner Energy.
So many names, all essentially the same thing. In the decades past since the western world discovered such a concept, there have been so many descriptions of Chi. From some sort of mystical energy that allows each being to live to the very force the Jedi used to fight evil in star wars. There have been so many different interpretations to outright bastardizations of the meaning of CHI.

Here’s my take on this mystical “Chi”.

What it isn’t:
It’s not a Jedi power that allows one to control the minds of others, Push objects telekinetically or choke people without touching them.(In a recent National geographic documentary “Is it Real?” A skeptic stood up to a so-called master of “chi”. Try as the master may, he couldn’t push down the skeptic no matter how many positions he tried. He later gave excuses such as the, skeptic kept moving his toes which made it difficult to aim his “chi”.)

It’s not some magical energy that so-called “masters” have been able to tap which gives them skills like Cancerous palm or Killer dragon fireball big toe attack.

It’s not some energy that shaolin monks redirect so that a hit to anywhere but the head does no damage or hurt to the monk.(Shaolin monks do, do conditioning exercises similar to shin rubbing of muay thai and also do body conditioning.)

What it is:
Chi would be better described as the mechanics and workings of the body as a whole. If you punch with only the force of your arm, it’s not going to be a very good punch (as most boxers will tell you), a jab at best, not matter how much you train that arm it will only be a jab. It is not until you add the legs, torso and shoulder does the punch become a hook, uppercut or corkscrew. Finally, its not until you add you brains into the equation that the punch will connect, possibly leading to a knockout.
The one-inch punch is most often used to show one’s mastery of chi. The one-inch punch isn’t a parlor trick. It isn’t the result of a little force on a brittle piece of wood. It’s a demonstration of how the body working as a whole can make the best of that 1 inch to generate enough force to break a block of wood.
When you see shaolin monks pressed against spears, it isn’t the chi forming a “shield” around them. It’s the years upon years of hard work that they’ve put in to ensure that the steel will not pierce their flesh. It’s also got to do with the fact that their spears are made with highly flexible wood that helps dissipate the energy. Why do you think they tense up just before they get struck? It is their intricate know how of which muscle and ligament points will not allow the spear through and training those points to toughen them. Chi is also proper methods of breathing and Posture. Similar to what you see when somone lies on a bed of nails. If the person is relaxed and in the correct posture, the Spear shouldn't pierce the practioner.
Punching a candle is about proper Form and excution of a Punch. The theory is if one has the right form and burst of power, he/she can extinguish the candle(not by faning out the candle quick successive punches). Extinguishing a Candle from 10 feet away is more of a myth and misinterpretation of the Candle Exercise.

My Grandfather did Shaolin Kung-fu back in his prime.Not sure if he still practises it anymore, i don't live with him anymore, but i still see him from time to time.
I can still remember him in the kitchen, steel chains wrapped around his hands doing punches from a horse stance, he would often be there punching for 15 minutes or so.
Just the other day i was chatting with my mom about how he used to train and she'd tell me how she'd wince everytime he used his throat to break a chopstick. She also told me about how he conditioned his body. Basically what he did was beat his shins with a wooden rod and smack around old phone books to condition his hands. Sure his master called it "Chi" But i never saw him sit in a corner and meditate.
To this day his hands still feel like rocks and i wouldn't want to be kicked by him.

It seems to me that chi was a master’s way of describing the body working as a whole, to the average layman of a by-gone era. Why bother spending hour after hour describing to each idiot who passed by, how the he was able to break bricks with his bare hands, when he would rather be training. Because when mastery is a never ending journey to perfection, you got a long way to go...

[kilearneraj]

ya dude i was having doubts about it too. but i got to thinking about it. there are so many ki websites devoted to ki and magick and telekineses ans other shit. y would so many people waste their time to lie online and money to make a website? the very thought of doing that is retarded. and the way people talk about it here made me believe.

[Kendamu]

Well, since everybody else is doing it....

I guess since so many people flock to McDojo-style Black Belt Mill-esque martial arts schools that give you a false sense of confidence but really do you no good once you've left the point-sparring patty-cake arena, I should believe that it works and join the flock as well, right?

Sorry. It doesn't work that way for me. You can believe it if you want. However, I'm gonna set up camp somewhere that's grounded in reality.

[Hazreihel]

Jan 15, 2008 20:10:24 GMT -5 Kendamu said:

Well, since everybody else is doing it....

I guess since so many people flock to McDojo-style Black Belt Mill-esque martial arts schools that give you a false sense of confidence but really do you no good once you've left the point-sparring patty-cake arena, I should believe that it works and join the flock as well, right?

Sorry. It doesn't work that way for me. You can believe it if you want. However, I'm gonna set up camp somewhere that's grounded in reality.

you didn't read the post above you, Ki is not magic, its not really supernatural at all, its just condition and self awareness at a heightened level. Becoming aware of more and more of yourself physically, feeling each muscle move, and controlling yourself more deliberation. Your martial arts is just a literal sense of that. you train and feel. What Ki is just focusing on the feeling than the physical, like if you tense your hand without moving it, you feel the tenseness, that energy is there and wants to be released, where as if you just closed your hand the same energy is there but you feel it being used. By enacting each portion of energy, or force from your hand you create more strength, because you can feel more and more of each muscle.

Now, think of it as an idea of separating your feeling of the physical, and potential energy of every movement you make. Ki is just making passive thought into direct thought. Instead of just fighting, your thinking, and focusing, your thinking about where to hit your target, how to hit him, thinking about breathing, watching your target move, analyzing his style, thinking what he's going to do next, imagining a series of events that could happen and how you can counter them. That is Ki, actual thought within the movement. All martial artist(real ones anyway) all use Ki because the winner of a fight is absolutely always, the one who thinks during the fight. If your not thinking, then your losing, because your target could be thinking ahead of you, and your actions become much easier to follow when your not thinking.

I hope I got this right, first time on this board(in a about a year anyway), and that's what I get from the above article.

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